On 18/01/2015 12:41, Mitchell Holman wrote:

It would have been better if they'd never gone out the door

PVK > wrote in
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> It would have been better if they'd never gone out the door
>


In hindsight. Ditto for the Whitley and the Defiant.
And on the American side, the Vindicator, the Aircobra,
the Devestator, the Buffalo........

On 18/01/2015 19:42, PVK wrote:
> It would have been better if they'd never gone out the door

Hindsight is tuppence a bucket full!

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On 18/01/2015 20:03, Ri©ardo wrote:
> On 18/01/2015 19:42, PVK wrote:
>> It would have been better if they'd never gone out the door
>
> Hindsight is tuppence a bucket full!
>


That's not really hindsight, Ricardo. Its an observation of their woeful
performance and cost in aircrew, both of which were recognized at the
time and often since.

Regards

Paul

On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 06:41:29 -0600, Mitchell Holman >
wrote:

The Ruskies loved the Air Cobra and its nose cannon.
The cannon worked as a can opener on nazi tanks.


Dave:
Old age comes at an inconventient time

On 2015-01-19 02:02:48 +0000, Old Geezerr > said:

> On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 06:41:29 -0600, Mitchell Holman >
> wrote:
>
> The Ruskies loved the Air Cobra and its nose cannon.
> The cannon worked as a can opener on nazi tanks.
>
>
> Dave:
> Old age comes at an inconventient time

My father who flew P-47D's & P-38 J&L's in the SW Pacific swears that
the P-39 was an AAF plot to kill as many Russians as they could. While
they did some good service for the Russians, and in 1942 in Guadalcanal
he thought they were best used as flying pinball machines and target
tugs.

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On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 06:41:29 -0600, Mitchell Holman >
wrote:

The Ruskies loved the Air Cobra and its nose cannon.
The cannon worked as a can opener on nazi tanks.


Dave:
Old age comes at an inconventient time




....and they had radios that worked.







Cheers

Dave Kearton

On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 19:02:48 -0700, Old Geezerr >
wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 06:41:29 -0600, Mitchell Holman >
>wrote:
>
> The Ruskies loved the Air Cobra and its nose cannon.
>The cannon worked as a can opener on nazi tanks.

Also seem to remember Finland flew Buffalos and gave the Russians a
decent shellacking. Not sure if the Buffalos played any part in that,
however...

On 19/01/2015 10:12, Bob (not my real pseudonym) wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 19:02:48 -0700, Old Geezerr >
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 06:41:29 -0600, Mitchell Holman >
>> wrote:
>>
>> The Ruskies loved the Air Cobra and its nose cannon.
>> The cannon worked as a can opener on nazi tanks.
>
> Also seem to remember Finland flew Buffalos and gave the Russians a
> decent shellacking. Not sure if the Buffalos played any part in that,
> however...
>

There's more information here on the Finnish use of Brewster aircraft,
although perhaps not the Buffalo which would not have gained the Finnish
nickname: "Taivaan Helmi" "Pearl of the Skies".

http://www.warbirdforum.com/faf.htm

For the Buffalo itself it was probably in the Fairey Battle class.

Ri©ardo

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On Mon, 19 Jan 2015 02:12:09 -0800, "Bob (not my real pseudonym)"
> wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 19:02:48 -0700, Old Geezerr >
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 06:41:29 -0600, Mitchell Holman >
>>wrote:
>>
>> The Ruskies loved the Air Cobra and its nose cannon.
>>The cannon worked as a can opener on nazi tanks.
>
>Also seem to remember Finland flew Buffalos and gave the Russians a
>decent shellacking. Not sure if the Buffalos played any part in that,
>however...

They did, but their victories owed much to poor training, equipment
and tacitcs of the sov air force...

Old Geezerr > wrote in
:

> On Sun, 18 Jan 2015 06:41:29 -0600, Mitchell Holman >
> wrote:
>
> The Ruskies loved the Air Cobra and its nose cannon.
> The cannon worked as a can opener on nazi tanks.
>
>
> Dave:
>

Chuck Yeager did too, flew it before he transitioned to P-51s
flew aerobatics in them, but did get beat up pretty bad when he lost
the engine once and had to take to the chute...

Charles Lindbergh > wrote in
> There is a tremendous amount of of interesting information about the
> P-39 here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-39_Airacobra
>
> There is no attribution, but supposedly a modified P-39 won the
> Thomson trophy in 1946.
>


http://www.airrace.com/1946NAR.html

Thompson "R" division
300 miles 10 laps of a 30 mile course

Place Pilot Race No Aircraft Speed
1 Alvin "Tex" Johnson 84 P-39Q 373.908
2 Tony LeVier 3 P-38L 370.193

Well I think you shold ask the Finnish Air Force before letting the Buffalo
go, a kill ratio of 31:1 against the soviets.....
Airacobra didn't do to badly in russian hands either.

Claus Gustafsen

"Mitchell Holman" skrev i meddelelsen
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PVK > wrote in
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> It would have been better if they'd never gone out the door
>


In hindsight. Ditto for the Whitley and the Defiant.
And on the American side, the Vindicator, the Aircobra,
the Devestator, the Buffalo........


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On Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:27:46 +1030, "Dave Kearton" >
wrote:


>
>...and they had radios that worked.
>

True!

Also, has there ever been another low wing, single seat, monoplane fighter,
in
active duty, with swinging side cockpit doors (like a car) instead of a
sliding
canopy?

There is a tremendous amount of of interesting information about the P-39
here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_P-39_Airacobra

There is no attribution, but supposedly a modified P-39 won the Thomson
trophy
in 1946.


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On Mon, 19 Jan 2015 18:27:46 +1030, "Dave Kearton" >
wrote:


>
>...and they had radios that worked.
>

True!

Also, has there ever been another low wing, single seat, monoplane fighter,
in
active duty, with swinging side cockpit doors (like a car) instead of a
sliding
canopy?




Early Typhoons.






Cheers

Dave Kearton